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The Infiltration at Fuller, the Bible College of Wales & the Loss of the Evangelical Pentecostal Movements 

Study Presented through Rev David P Griffiths 

Why should I refuse a degree from Manchester University via the now apostate Elim Pentecostal Church – because God told me it would affect the anointing on my life – along came a lady related to one of the founders of the Assemblies of God in UK who gave me the very first AOG Redemption Tidings warning of the Higher Criticism of Germany coming through Manchester University which Elim had just come under?

AOG Article in Redemption Tidings July 1924 warning of what was coming through the University Elim had signed up to – signing away that denomination’s heritage to the devil. I was right to refuse and you are right not to sign up to a course aligned to universities of higher criticism for this is the “other Jesus.”

This is the proof of my refusal.


John 17:16 King James Version (KJV)


16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


For the same reason the Bible College of Wales Continuing was formed to carry on the calling of Rees Howells whose vision was also stolen by those embracing higher criticism and now the Emerging Church, Elim had gone, AOG had gone, Apostolic had gone. It is our heart to restore them all and in USA Fuller Seminary had gone! Study John 17 from the KJV and relate how important it is not to come under worldly authority.

Intercessor Brian Mason outside Fuller Seminary in Pasadena, California USA

repairing the breach in the Name of Christ Jesus for it can be said Charles Fuller was the Rees Howells of USA

  • The Breach at Fuller …….


Paul Smith in his revealing book New Evangelicalism The New World Order does in my view identify Fuller Seminary, Pasadena, California as the birthing place of the New World Order Plan for Evangelical Christianity, what I saw manifest at Elim Bible College in UK.


Like Rees Howells in UK Charles Fuller was of orthodox theology, a far cry from what was to come.  Both characters would have defined orthodoxy in relation to


  • The inerrancy of God’s Word

  • Independence from denominationalism

Fuller’s passion ran further than his weekly preaching on the radio, he had like Rees Howells a compelling urgency to train young people to go forth with the Gospel. In the seminary he was to build he look to combine twentieth century fundamentalism with the nineteenth century holiness tradition which emphasized a personal walk with God and the leading of the Holy Ghost. 


Like Rees Howell it was a question of either being man led or God led. By June of 1947 he brought forth the Fuller seminary with fundamentalists Harold J Ockenga, Everett F Harrison, Harold Lindsell, Wilbur M Smith, and Carl F.H. Henry. In a few short years however the battle for Biblical inerrancy had begun, the details of which feature in Smith’s book.


What we call today as postmodernism had begun to creep into Fuller. This philosophy teaches that man is at the centre of things hence today we have the outburst of community churches with the community taking the pre-eminent position in the Church title.


The teaching however is far from modern for like so many other things it has its origin in Alexandria, Egypt developing into Greek Platonism and Gnosticism, the view of man being at the centre of things rather than God. Those following this doctrine live from the five senses of man rather than the Holy Ghost which is how Charles Fuller originally intended the College to operate by.


We now therefore have in the Seminaries and Colleges of this world, and this was certainly the case at Elim College where I was a complete dismissal of absolute truth, a truth that never changes, indeed these educational institutions now have “Bibles” that constantly change at the whim of the Nestle Aland Committee supported by the Bible Societies and the Vatican.


The Real Church, now only a remnant believes all of the Bible is true but the Nestle Committee of the "new translations" presenting an "ever-changing" Gospel meaning today we also have a Church bound by change, unbelief and syncretisation with paganism.


The 27th. edition of the Nestle-Aland text underlying all "new translations" in its introduction admits this:

The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and following an agreement between the Vatican and the United Bible Societies it has served as the basis  for new translations and for revisions made under their supervision. This marks a significant step with regard to inter confessional relationships. It should naturally be understood that this text is a working text (in the sense of the century-long Nestle tradition): it is not to be considered as definitive, but as a stimulus to further efforts toward defining and verifying the text of the New Testament .........

 We simply do not accept a non-definitive, working text constantly revised by academics, text that has even described Jesus as  "a son of the gods."


We also have a problem with the non-acceptance of  "absolutes."


Paul Smith in his excellent book "New Evangelicalism" states this:

Today postmodernists dismiss the idea of absolute truth; epistemology, the study of knowledge, is still a hot button issue.


Why do some postmodernists stand in the pulpits of Christian churches as ministers of our Lord Jesus Christ?


They are pretenders with invisible garments; they are as naked as the proverbial emperor!

So what we have today is a "Church" that has "Bibles" from a translations committee who has openly admitted that their work is not absolute. So no more do we have in Pentecostal and Evangelical "churches" an absolute Bible.


This is clearly shown in Elim's postmodern statement of faith that declares a fully inspired and infallible Word of God but only as originally given and so this denomination is now dominated by ever-changing postmodern "Bibles" without the Sword of its founder.


This heresy is clearly shown on Elim's website in their "What we Believe" section: We believe the Bible, as originally given, to be without error, the fully inspired and infallible Word of God and the supreme and final authority in all matters of faith and conduct.


Now we have rejected all of this post-modernist thinking seeing once great movements taken over by "purpose driven" heresies of philosophical business techniques. It is so sad!

We invite you to research “postmodernism”

and its background and describe the harm it does to faith.

  • Daniel Fuller and Karl Barth


The son of Charles, Daniel Fuller became a major player in the removal of orthodoxy from Fuller. From receiving a Bachelor of Divinity degree from Fuller Daniel received two doctorates, one from the Northern Baptist Seminary and the other from the University of Basel, Switzerland where he came under the wing of universalist Karl Barth.


Whilst Daniel was studying in Switzerland it is my view that the “other Jesus” was preparing the once orthodox Fuller Seminary to become completely liberal. Edward J Carnell became acting President of Fuller Seminary with Charles Fuller unable to back orthodoxy due to ill health. Confusion reigned in Pasadena in preparation I believe for the birthing of the Emerging Church worldwide.


Detailed letters are illustrated in Smith’s book showing that the preparation for the narrow road becoming wide was clearly on! In amongst all the preparation at Fuller Daniel returned from Switzerland with the view that the Bible contained both revelational and non revelational scripture. This was exactly the position at Elim where I endured this kind of training, there appearing at that College the teaching that the fulfilment passages in Matthew were mere asides of the Evangelist Matthew and not part of the main text. This in blunt terms is a prime example of higher criticism that the Assemblies of God had warned about in 1924.


Following is a piece from an EPTA Bulletin in 1993 by Dr David Petts, then Principal of Assemblies of God Mattersey Hall in UK in which he refers to as “asides of the evangelist, not as part of the narrative” and here he is referring to holy writ in that the scriptures contain God and man, a dangerous philosophy to bring into Seminaries and Colleges reducing students to pale imitations of the preachers of old.


It is this kind of teaching that began to manifest at Fuller to demolish its orthodoxy and the same thing happened at the Bible College of Wales in UK.

From this base of new postmodernism came at Fuller what has become known as a paradigm shift, a term so loved today in the Emerging Church and its social rather than God consciousness. Fuller gained a new President called Edward Carnell who believed that the Bible had errors! This was of course supported by Barth who said in Chicago that God was infallible but the Bible contained errors in its time bound human statements and so the ground was wide open for man not to be corrected by God’s Word.


2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)


16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Above is the orthodox position. Joining the faculty was George Eldon Ladd whose work was embraced by Director of Studies Siegfried Schatzmann at Elim Bible College who was clearly the “other Jesus’s” messenger of this message within the now apostate Elim, a message that continued from there to the Bible College of Wales through a Principal trained under this blasphemous heresy of the “other Jesus.”

Where there are no absolutes, ever changing “Bibles” and a questioning of whether God said or man from the Bible –

what is going to happen this Emerging Church?

  • The Foundations for Wagner and Warren to take over the World and its Orthodox Movements


It is clear this takeover was carefully planned by the “other Jesus”. Inerrancy had had its day, 75% of the classes at Fuller from 1950 to 1952 believing in inerrancy to only 15% in 1982. At a guess estimate today worldwide we are dealing with only a small percentage in Church believing God’s Word.


The accommodation gospel has been well and truly born, accommodation meaning:

  • To make fit, suitable or congruous

  • To bring into agreement or accord

  • To furnish with something desired, needed, or suited

  • To make room for, to hold without crowding or inconvenience, to give consideration to allow, for example, the special interests of various groups to adapt themselves.


At the hub of this new gospel is hospitality but it’s a hospitality that involves conforming to the world, hence the degree God told me to refuse from Elim. The Biblical admonition however is:


Romans 8:29 King James Version (KJV)


29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


There is no mention here of being conformed to the World, indeed the Bible declares:


Romans 12:2 King James Version (KJV)


2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


This can only happen with the absolute authority of scripture so this new emerging Church now being birthed is one with shakey foundations hurting so many all over the world at this time. Confusion and hurt abounds because there is nothing solid to stand on!

Can the Bible be depended upon? In “new translations” however there is a committee that regularly changes them. We ask you to consider therefore What the solution is

remembering the importance of the word “landmark?”

  • C Peter Wagner’s Takeover, Peter Drucker & Rick Warren.


Everything was set for C Peter Wagner to come into Fuller as Professor of Church Growth in 1971 and how the Church was going to grow! Massively but this was not the Church of the Jesus of the inerrant Bible for this was the Church of the “other Jesus” that was going to take over everything, well almost everything for throughout history God retains a remnant.


Wagner’s School of World Mission was a huge success numbers wise. Interest in social sciences boomed and all over the World we now see “churches” experts in these sciences, reaching out to people, people and their needs being pre-eminent for away with the full surrender and commitment to God – we are to be committed to each other.


Social programmes are king in these new emerging churches. Along came the praying for the sick – the Jesus of the Bible never doing this, spiritual mapping, the role of apostles and prophets, spiritual warfare and demonic deliverance.


From being the School of World Mission Wagner changed the title to the School of Intercultural Studies which now studied culture, anthropology. Sociology and psychology. The old fashioned Gospel was no longer good enough to do the work! The Every Creature Commission had now become much more complex!


Coming from this new department paving the way for the Emerging Church and a paradigm shift in theology departments all over the World was Peter Drucker. Fuller’s Professor Gibbs was numbered amongst many church leader to have been influenced by this non-Christian business genius. Referring to himself as a social ecologist Drucker led these leaders into corporate and government relationships that today every ministry outside of this co-operation will be placed into a corner of Elijah style raven reliance for this co-operation has its hold on everything, well almost everything!

Instead of the Bible (that’s ever changing anyway with the Emerging Church) we now have Drucker’s philosophical essays about the nature of man and society for Drucker cleverly managed the science of social philosophy with management authority, with religions going through continuous change meaning the stability over the centuries was being taken away.


This emphasis on the social sector has brought about the coming of the Community Church, it being the Cornerstone Community Church, Singapore that has taken over Rees Howell’s Bible College of Wales buildings in Swansea, South wales. Would Rees Howells have embraced this new social structure or continued to embrace his never changing Bible and the ethos of the Protestant Reformation sola scriptura.


Drucker saw society having three legs, religion being just one so there was no place here for the pre-eminent Christ; the other two legs being corporate and governmental. Combining all these legs would be the mega-church with all the commercialism around it; the money changers were back in the Temple! Embracing all of this was one time student under Wagner and founder of Saddleback Church Rick Warren and this new type of evolving Church was formed, the Emerging Church.


In founding the Saddleback Church, a compound of a city of buildings more akin to that of Vatican City than what one would associate with an evangelical church having earned a doctorate of ministry degree under Wagner at Fuller. Growth in numbers all over the world emanating out of Saddleback is absolutely staggering. As a business model it is genius gaining massive profits at the expense of those staying faithful to the Word of God who are in effect losing everything they have. Combining these business skills with the philosophies of Kierkegaard and Kant we now have the perfectly run church in business terms only, not under the God of the Bible but the “other Jesus” of this world.


In amongst all this business of the Emerging Church comes Drucker’s fascination with Eastern mysticism so as well as the mega church we now have the mystical revivals more akin to that of the east than the orthodoxy of Charles Fuller and Rees Howells. This is what has taken over Fuller seminary and the Bible College of Wales at Swansea, the continuing college having to overcome massive shortages in resources living off God’s ravens every day with the Prophets of Baal looking to constantly close it down through legalism.

We ask you to consider the differences therefore between the Orthodox Church and that which has come out of

Drucker, Wagner and Warren

  • The Bible College of Wales


For the takeover of this once great College at Derwen Fawr, Swansea we go to the Welldigger Website which gives a torrid tale of how the building of Swansea got into the hands of the Emerging Church.


After the promotion to glory of Samuel Rees Howells it would seem Alan Scotland and his wife Betty took over the ministry at Samuel’s request but did Samuel realise at that time the influences of the Emerging Church that were taking over colleges like this one all over the World? He had become the Principal of trinity theological College in Rugby, England, the training arm of a ministry called Global Horizon, a grouping of many diverse ministries that emphasize humanitarian partnerships in line with Drucker’s leading in our view.


It is clear also that those who had faithfully given over the many years of orthodox theology were now having those finances transferred from the Rees Howells Trust founded in 1924 to this new emerging church movement of Global Horizons.


Coming in after Samuel’s death clearly under Scotland’s leadership was brought a man from Elim and its higher critical approaches Ewen Robertson who unlike myself accepted his University of Manchester degree despite of the warnings of the early Assemblies of God.


The website giving this information uses the Alexandrian approach of equipping disciples rather than perfecting them as the true Word of God declares. This in my view rebellious leadership from the Rees Howells cause instead of embracing the Rees Howells heritage were embracing that which had come in at Fuller, a corporate and sociological approach so alien to the original vision of the College.


As at Fuller – so the Bible College of Wales! 


Orthodoxy has to be defended. Charles Fuller did this, after all he had been the founder and visionary of America’s Bible College of Wales yet his words, his heart felt desire was to be ignored: Regarding the doctrinal position of the school, I want to make it very clear that it is my sincere hope that Fuller Seminary will always be solidly based in its teachings upon the Scriptures as being the inspired Word of God. His final words in a letter to Dr Lindsell: Finally, ‘Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature,’ this is the goal – my heart’s desire for this seminary. 


This was exactly the same word God gave Rees Howells and now we view the vision stolen like so many.


There it is, the every creature commission. Exactly the word God gave to Rees Howells and what happened at Swansea is almost a direct copy to what was happenned at Fuller. 


Karl Barth who was influencing Daniel Fuller however with his questioning of God’s Word chose a path entirely alien to that of his father, a path that opened the door to a massive counterfeit move to take over movements all over the world. Liberalism was coming in and despite of Charles Fuller’s desire, the move was not going to be counteracted at the time. 


It was at Fuller that we first started to hear the term paradigm shift through the new President of the ministry Edward Carnell who also introduced the term neo or new evangelicalism. This new evangelicalism missed a key doctrine of the old – that of full inerrancy of the Bible and the same happened at the Bible College of wales with Bibles that constantly changed their scriptures with all the philosophies of higher criticism that came in through Hugh Pyper and Ewen Robertson’


From here came the National Association of Evangelicals in USA and of course in UK we had the emergence of the Evangelical Alliance, an alliance not of orthodox evangelicals but mostly that of the new found Emerging Church that had emanated from Fuller.


The aim of these organisations is to have Christians who would pursue intellectualism, non-judgmentalism and appeasement with a new type of gospel founded in sociology, politics and finance rather than God’s Word as we discovered had happened at Fuller.




In the case of the Bible College of Wales it too had fallen to these modern approaches placing itself under a Dr Hugh Pyper, Head of Biblical Studies at the University of Sheffield. Instead of being under the leadership of Rees Howells, the college now had placed itself under an existentialist who like Carnell at Fuller embraced the teachings of Soren Kierkegaard. Pyper does not proclaim the inerrancy of the Bible but new ways of interpreting it. He says of himself: 


My current interests include contemporary cultural influence of the Bible; the interaction of biblical and literary studies, and Postcolonial studies. The way in which the bible has entered into cultures worldwide is another example of its unique power to create new communities of readers and these communities have in turn brought new insights to biblical interpretation. The bible is a tool of both the colonisers and the colonised and still has important effects on contemporary politics. It is also the product of a community which had to survive the imperial ambitions of a succession of conquerors and which had its own ambitions of conquest. I have a hunch that postcolonial theory might help to explain some of the peculiar features of biblical books, and am exploring this in the commentary on Daniel I am working on. 




Another interest, which is not as remote as it might appear, is in Kierkegaard and in particular in the place of the bible in his thought. As well as being endlessly fascinating to read, and remarkably funny at times, Kierkegaard´s understanding of the problems of communication is well ahead of his time, and indeed probably of ours too. 


The College that had now bowed to the curse of higher criticism was offering a Bth Ministry course under an existentialist, existentialism being the philosophical belief that begins with the human subject regarding traditional approaches to theology as too remote from ordinary people. 

It is from this existential approach that we have the emerging move that has brought about community churches, Christ Jesus no longer being in his preeminent position. Indeed at the Bible College of Wales building in Swansea met the Swansea Community Church, a church of 100 people according to their website absolutely in line with the Drucker ethos. The Emerging Church had successfully taken over the building at Swansea with philosophies and mysticism a far cry from Rees Howells vision. 


Colossians 1:17-19 King James Version (KJV) 


17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 


We can only conclude therefore that Ewen Robertson the Principal in 2009, surrendered the birth right of faith to come under this satanic infiltration. This is particularly revealing for me for the Principal responsible for having the dear Bible College of Wales come under higher criticism had himself come from the college whose degree God had told me to have nothing to do with – Regents, formerly Elim Bible College at Nantwich, Cheshire,


Robertson receiving a Masters in Applied Theology in 2006. How can this be, well it’s the same infiltration story that occurred at Fuller. 


It is interesting to note the interests of Ewen Robertson in comparison to the life of Rees Howells, the College’s first Principal. He claims a degree from Manchester University which could be the Elim one, Manchester University being the seat of Professor Peake’s higher criticism, as well as an interest in listening to the Beatles. With the truth now coming out, with God calling the remnant to face up to these prophets of Baal it will no doubt be a hard day’s night for Robertson and his rebellious higher critics.  


Placing itself under the validation system in Wales changed the focus of the Every Creature Commission. Instead of focussing on this Commission funding was used to support the University validation system in Wales that according to Times Higher Education was highly lucrative for the universities of Wales describing it as a money making machine! 


A far cry from the Rees Howells days so recorded by Norman Grubb! It is clear that we are dealing with those who have no concept of positional truth preferring to be bastards rather than sons. 


Hebrews 12:7-9 King James Version (KJV) 


7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 


Charles Fuller, George Jeffreys and Rees Howells were all men of the Word, the inerrant Word without error. To question the Word was blasphemy and now we know huge sums in UK were being paid to higher critics to assess the work of students whilst in USA something even more heaven defying was brewing! 


Carnell at Fuller was beginning the process of bringing in the Worldwide Emerging Church, the end time satanic counterfeit of the true Body of Christ.


Carnell saw scripture as the “objective” word of God stating that indeed “scripture was sullied by errors, theological as well as historical or factual.”


Barth had been teaching that God was infallible but his Word was not and it is this that we face in the counterfeit Church all over the World. 


The Karl Barth influence was affecting scholarship worldwide, the next President of the Seminary being a David Allan Hubbard who had gained a Doctorate from St. Andrews University, Scotland, a University that had a Barth infiltrated faculty. In the meantime Daniel continued to try and influence his father. “Some of the chronologies in Scripture were simply wrong” he said going against all that his father had stood for! 

2 Timothy 3:15-17 King James Version (KJV) 


15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Back with the Fuller faculty and their retreat held at the Huntington Sheraton Hotel in Pasadena during December 1962. From this retreat came Fuller Seminary’s rejection of inerrancy, exactly what I found at Elim from where the Bible College of Wales Principal had been trained. The foundations of faith were being removed all over the world making way for the end time counterfeit church, no wonder Jesus asked if he would find faith when he returned. 


Luke 18:7-8 King James Version (KJV)


7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 

8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? 




The Vision of Rees Howells was coming to an end or could there be a "continuing" remnant? In the climate of cultural change at Fuller the School of World Mission became the School of Intercultural Studies. This replaced the founder’s passion for the Every Creature Commission. Instead was witnessed a mix of culture, sociology, anthropology and psychology with of course an emphasis on being seeker friendly. The old scriptural emphasis on world mission was gone. Existentialism had replaced the Gospel. 


Mark 16:15-16 King James Version (KJV) 


15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 


Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV) 


23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 


Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV) 


23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 


Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)


9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


John 3:7 King James Version (KJV) 


7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 


The teaching now in inter-cultural studies changed from presenting absolutes (absolutes of course missing from ever changing new translations) to the belief that the Bible contains some truth rather than God’s Word that is relied upon! 


Man’s social need was given the priority hence the huge growth worldwide in what are known as community churches, placing the community first above God.


Paul Smith sees this emphasis as the starting point of the Purpose Driven model: 


The theology of this philosophy rejects the sinfulness of man in favour of the corporate physical needs of society. The Purpose Driven model ushers in a new reformation based on behaviour rather than beliefs; deeds rather than creeds; and what the church does rather than what the church believes. No one denies the need for social reforms. But to suggest that the church replace the gospel message of salvation through Christ alone with social, economic, and political reform is a shameful departure from the clear teaching of the Word of God. To suggest that all Evangelicals, mainline Protestant liberals, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Confucians, and people of all faiths be joined together to solve our world’s social problems would leave a world populated with unredeemed sinners


Paul’s statement is absolutely true, the world now having a church bearing no relation to having a passion for the exclusivity of Christ and his Every Creature Commission. This is what happened in UK too with the Bible College of Wales moving to a social emphasis leaving its landmark to become not even a shadow of its sacrificial and intercessory past. The John 14:6 “I am the Way” has now been changed,


Even in the 1970’s Wagner was proclaiming this: Well, I think that we evangelicals need to be aware that we are actually living in the 1970’s (how much more now!), in a fantastically changing age, an age in which there are fantastic changes in a perspective on theology, that by the time the 1970’s are over, if any one talks of theology in the singular – he might just as well not talk about theology, because we need to see theology in a plural sense.


“Theos” – “Gods” plural is now the perspective in Evangelical circles backed up by new translations who see Jesus as just “a son of the gods,” and  those who stand up for the old truth, for the exclusivity of Christ are squeezed into a corner, the resources of our movements denied to us and so we have up till now been in a cave, fed by ravens, many of us losing all we have in the cause but now empowered to rise up and face these prophets of Baal like Wagner. 


Not only did Evangelicals have to face this onslaught of sociology and spiritualism not based on the Word but of a multi-cultural god. It then faced the onslaught of business techniques combined with ancient philosophies. 


Professor Gibbs at Fuller became highly influenced by the humanist business guru Peter Drucker. He was a social philosopher and management consultant. He taught that unlike the physical universe, sociology had no natural laws because of changes that go on and he took this approach into religions supporting continuous change. 


Christendom today therefore has Bibles that continuously change through Nestle Aland in league with the Bible Societies and the Vatican. The stability has been lost that came in with men like Rees Howells, Grubb, Tozer, Jeffreys, Howard Carter and DP Williams but not completely. God has maintained his remnant to stand at such a time as this. 


1 Timothy 6:20-21 King James Version (KJV) 


20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 

21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. 


Drucker’s philosophy further combined economics with his social and philosophical model. He was fascinated with mega-churches, the spiritual side not being of interest to Drucker, for this side was fulfilled with the teaching of Kierkegaard and Eastern mysticism. From this model came the Emerging model out of Fuller through student of Wagner Rick Warren champion of the Purpose Driven Church. As Paul stated to the Galatians, he would state today to the Emerging Church: 


Galatians 1:1-6 King James Version (KJV) 


Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:


A new reformation began with Warren who clearly had been affected by all these influences and is in my view responsible for the current wave of charismatic witchcraft so prevalent in Christendom. Saddleback Mega-Church was founded from where thousands of pastors with a thirst for growth rather than God download Warren’s purpose driven sermons. 


This programme with its social emphasis enables churches in Britain to gain government grant funding as indeed in USA The Lilly Foundation funded the technology at Saddleback to track the Purpose Driven model. 


Paul Smith gives the scripture: 


James 4:4 King James Version (KJV) 


4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 


Smith continues to issue eight major concerns about this emergence and it is these concerns that keeps God’s true remnant away from the present day charismatic decadence: 


  • That Jesus Christ is no longer THE WAY.


 Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV) 


8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 


  • Universalist teaching with hell not mentioned, hell being removed entirely from new translation teaching.


Psalm 55:14-16 King James Version (KJV) 


14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company. 

15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. 

16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. 


  • Feelings becoming the criteria for touching God rather than through the Word of God.


Ephesians 4:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 


18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 

19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 

20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 


  • The use of icons, spiritual aids like prayer shawls etc. of a physical nature to touch God.


 2 Corinthians 6:15-17 King James Version (KJV)


15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 


  • The approach of making sinners comfortable in church rather than convicted of the Holy Ghost.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20 King James Version (KJV) 


19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 


  • The condoning of what God has condemned.


Jude 1:7 King James Version (KJV) 


7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 


  • The repeating of mantras coming from Drucker’s eastern religions as part of “Christian” worship that runs alongside breathing techniques and getting into the spirit practices of the East.


 Matthew 6:7 King James Version (KJV) 


7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 


  • The Emerging Church and its challenge to the authority of scripture and I add its rejection of Textus Receptus and its warnings of hell and of a Saviour who died to save the repentant sinner from it.


2 Timothy 3:15-17 King James Version (KJV) 


15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works

The Bible College of Wales had come under the very same spirit that had infiltrated Fuller and now it’s getting worse.


Bill Johnson speaking and Pastor Yang given the Word to buy Derwen Fawr!


Bill Johnson’s ministry from California, an offshoot of the Drucker, Wagner, Warren rebellion at Fuller was really targeting in the spirit the Fuller equivalent in UK the Bible College of Wales. Words apparently came from another Pastor that the Bible College of Wales was to be bought by him but this was coming from a Community church base, whilst a speaker of the Wagner dynasty was speaking out of the rebellion of Fuller. Clearly something big was happening for before this God had spoken to Brian Mason and David P Griffiths to restore the Bible College of Wales and so two Bible Colleges are now in existence through completely separate words, one with the massive resources of the Emerging Church and the other battling for the resources as Rees Howells did at the founding of the original College.


Pastor Yang writes on the project website: 

We intend to establish the Bible School, along the lines of the one that Rees Howells had established, and this is to be open to all who seek to come. We also seek to establish a prayer and intercession ministry, open up residential and hostel facilities, and most importantly, to make this heritage building a place accessible to the entire Body of Christ.


Who is this Bill Johnson but a presiding apostle of Wagner’s International Coalition of Apostles, a present day leader of the Emerging Church which has now successfully pulled down Fuller and the Bible College of wales but for a remnant of the original vision of both establishments? Can this remnant do as David did and defeat the giant of the Emerging Church?

We ask you to consider the remarkable parallels  between

how Fuller was taken over and then the Bible College of Wales.

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